{"id":7783,"date":"2022-12-24T01:22:02","date_gmt":"2022-12-24T01:22:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/?p=7783"},"modified":"2022-12-31T00:29:50","modified_gmt":"2022-12-31T00:29:50","slug":"music-media-gimme-danger-2016","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/?p=7783","title":{"rendered":"MUSiC\/MEDiA: Gimme Danger, 2016"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"532\" height=\"300\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5824.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7779\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5824.jpg 532w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5824-300x169.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 532px) 100vw, 532px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019ve never really been a fan of punk. Although that said, well\u2026 it\u2019ll become clear. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>My first point of contact with Iggy and The Stooges was a Sixth-Form band I was in. The guitarist was into Sonic Youth, and he wanted us to include I Wanna Be Your Dog in our set. Or at least\u2026 that\u2019s a memory I have!?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Actually, no\u2026 come to think of it, my <em>very first<\/em> encounter with Iggy was via David Bowie, and his album <em>Tonight<\/em>. Bowie and Pop had a very long and mutually fruitful friendship, which started around the time of <em>Raw Power<\/em>. Iggy was heavily involved on <em>Tonight<\/em>, supplying several songs, co-writing others, and guesting on a number of tracks. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"320\" height=\"322\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5852.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7784\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5852.jpg 320w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5852-298x300.jpg 298w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5852-150x150.jpg 150w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5852-100x100.jpg 100w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 320px) 100vw, 320px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Mick Haggerty\u2019s cover is very Gilbert &amp; George!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>As the years rolled by I would occasionally encounter Iggy or The Stooges again, like when his song Lust For Life suddenly re-entered the national zeitgeist, thanks to its inclusion on the <em>Trainspotting<\/em> soundtrack. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Another encounter was watching Tom Waits and Iggy in a Jim Jarmusch<em> Coffee &amp; Cigarettes <\/em>short film. And my illustrator buddy Tim Oliver would sometimes play Iggy\u2019s <em>Lust For Life <\/em>album as we worked in his shed studio. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5855-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7785\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5855-1024x576.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5855-300x169.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5855-768x432.jpg 768w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5855.jpg 1366w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Two legends!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019ve been a big fan of Jarmusch for a long long time now, since fairly soon after discovering Tom Waits, in my mid-teens (or slightly later; poss\u2019 late teens\/early twenties?), and subsequently discovering and exploring the Jarmusch\/Waits connection, via <em>Down By Law,<\/em> and suchlike. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Gimme Danger reviewed by Mark Kermode\" width=\"525\" height=\"295\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/9NRZVdiqp6E?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Mark Kermode approved!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I remember seeing trailers for <em>Gimme Danger<\/em>, back in 2016, when it came out, and wanting to go see it on the big screen. I didn\u2019t! More\u2019s the pity. Well, tonight I finally put that right, and watched it. And I loved it. It\u2019s a loving portrait or homage, to both Iggy and The Stooges. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Iggy Pop and Jim Jarmusch On Their New Documentary &#039;Gimme Danger&#039;\" width=\"525\" height=\"295\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/USt8BEghc3Y?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Jarmusch and Pop talk to Vice about <em>Gimme Danger<\/em>.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>As a drummer myself I loved discovering that Jim Osterberg, aka Iggy Pop, started out himself on this most primal of instruments. But, as he so beautifully puts it, he got fed up of \u2018looking at the singer\u2019s ass\u2019! It\u2019s also very interesting hearing about his early influences, from TV and movies, to black American music.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5833.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7780\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5833.jpg 800w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5833-300x200.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5833-768x512.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A young Osterberg, in his drumming phase.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>His Damascene revelation &#8211; \u2018Hey, I\u2019m not black!\u2019 &#8211; as funny as it sounds, especially delivered in Pop\u2019s eloquently laconic basso profundo drawl, is, as mark Kermode points out, a really crucial moment. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Another thing I loved about this film and it\u2019s subjects is the whole art vs business, or life vs the machine vibe. As Jarmusch says, very early on in the Vice thing, Iggy and The Stooges are Art! And they paid quite dearly for such a stance. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1000\" height=\"538\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5846.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7781\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5846.jpg 1000w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5846-300x161.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5846-768x413.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Iggy\u2019s stage antics were amazing!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>All in all, this is an affectionate and very charming portrait of both Iggy himself, and The Stooges. Most of the rest of The Stooges &#8211; all three of the original line up outside of the Igster &#8211; have passed: bassist Dave Alexander in 1975, guitarist Ron Asheton in 2009, and, most recently, drummer Scott Asheton, in 2019. Only Iggy remains. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"316\" height=\"314\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5856.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7786\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5856.jpg 316w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5856-300x298.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5856-150x150.jpg 150w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5856-100x100.jpg 100w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 316px) 100vw, 316px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Their debut, 1969.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Seeing Pop performing with later iterations of the group &#8211; the latter day lineup of Iggy, Mike Watt (bass), James Williamson (guitar), and Scott Asheton features heavily in the movie &#8211; is a bit odd. He still looks pretty amazing. And he still favours shirtless contortionist cavorting. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Although Iggy still looks surprisingly good (or at least surprisingly\u2019rock n\u2019 roll; esp\u2019 for his age), his bandmates do admittedly look a bit less cool, and overerall the sound is a little more lethargic than \u2018back in the day\u2019. Naturally and understandably so, given the passage of time. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Obviously drugs played a part in the group\u2019s less than smooth history. And it\u2019s only really been with the benefit of hindsight that The Stooges are or have been steadily becoming more respected. Their role as creators or instigators of proto-punk in particular, along with fellow Michiganites MC5, is a theme much harped on in the music press and online. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5857.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7787\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5857.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5857-150x150.jpg 150w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5857-100x100.jpg 100w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The Stooges second album, 1970.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Ironically, claims that they\u2019re the greatest rock n roll band ever, which are made several times in this movie, don\u2019t in my view really hold up, leastways not if you just shut your eyes and listen to the music. I like the music. Or at least some of it. But it\u2019s hardly blisteringly original or innovative. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I think a very large part of The Stooges attraction &#8211; although as youngsters they all looked pretty good &#8211; is, inescapably, the Igster! His energy, charisma, stage presence, etc, all meant that for those who saw The Stooges perform, such was the energy, that they truly were \u2018the greatest rock n roll band of all time\u2019, for any such spellbound acolytes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5828-1024x576.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7782\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5828-1024x576.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5828-300x169.png 300w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5828-768x432.png 768w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5828-1536x864.png 1536w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5828.png 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Jim Osterberg, as he is  now, or rather was, c. 2015\/16.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Iggy puts it with sublime and succinct precision when he says that their art was Dionysian, and not Apollonian; it was orgiastic, sensual and physical. And, at their best, they have a terrifically pure and simple and enormously powerful energy, that is really <em>very<\/em> seductive. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I enjoyed this film so much I\u2019ve ordered The Stooges\u2019 first three albums. And I look forward to enjoying them!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5858.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7788\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5858.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5858-150x150.jpg 150w, http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/img_5858-100x100.jpg 100w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I\u2019ve never really been a fan of punk. Although that said, well\u2026 it\u2019ll become clear. My first point of contact with Iggy and The Stooges was a Sixth-Form band I was in. The guitarist was into Sonic Youth, and he wanted us to include I Wanna Be Your Dog in our set. Or at least\u2026 &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/?p=7783\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;MUSiC\/MEDiA: Gimme Danger, 2016&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_is_tweetstorm":false,"jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false}}},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paGwUa-21x","_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7783"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=7783"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7783\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":7851,"href":"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7783\/revisions\/7851"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=7783"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=7783"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.sebpalmer.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=7783"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}